Comments on: Water for gas scam part two

By: Tom

Tom — Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:43:03 +0000

To Michael Giles. You sir are only on this forum to tell people about how bad the world is. You are the one who tells others they can’t do something because its your job to make people feel as bad as you feel. If others feel good and they find you, you will disappear because you are afraid of life and will do anything to cut people to pieces. If everyone listened to people like you we would still be drivng horse and buggies.

I have used the HHO system on my car and it works. It works for people who can read and understand and dream about something better, WHICH you are incapable of doing. Take you LOSER attitude and go pound sand moron. There are several 1000’s of people using hho to improve not only mileage but emissions, performance, and a cleaner internal engine.

By: Water Dave

Water Dave — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:13:57 +0000

Bob’s wiping the egg off his face and spending time trying hard to support his scam position and feels it is best not to discuss it any more and just enjoy his neighbor’s success. There is no fool like an educated fool. Bob be a man and admit your puzzlement. Hell Bob it has been 6 months, how long does it take you to run a test, must work for the government on a grant. If Thomas Edison had thought Bob’s way we would still be using candles. Thomas Edison worked by experiment if it worked, it worked, if it didn’t, it didn’t, then move on, that simple.

By: Paul

Paul — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:56:57 +0000

Where’s Bob?

By: Curtis

Curtis — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 12:10:41 +0000

I am new here, but I can tell You that hho works , if you put all the electronic devices to fool the cars computer in place. If You live somewhere that emissions tests are mandatory, You will not pass that test. Any visible alteration to emissions equipment, automatically fails the vehicle. It works better on older carbed engines than it does on injected engines. Farming equipment does very well, since most of it is slower rpms. I have no explanation of why, or how it works. I just know it has improved My dads equipment performance considerably, and actually decreased fuel consumption by about 25%.

By: miles

miles — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:08:50 +0000

Anyone use this with E-85? I got a vey high compression 400 sbc with a 2bl holly 4412 and a MSD vacuum advance dist.

By: T.K. Hayes

T.K. Hayes — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:09:37 +0000

I have a question – in theory, if a gasoline engine is 100% efficient and all of the energy was used to propel a car weighing 3600 lbs on a purely flat surface, with no waste to heat or breaking or non-essential electrical devices, how far should the car be able to go?

By: michael giles

michael giles — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 04:22:14 +0000

A scam is a scam is a scam and this is one giant scam. I mean really..do you think if there was the slightest chance that GM, Honda, etc would not be investigating? A hydrogen powered car needs a source of fuel, that is hydrogen, and generating it in situ is so absurd it doesnt pass the laugh test. Deceiving people intentionally makes you a criminal in my eyes. Confusing people with “Brown’s Gas” and (HHO) makes these people frauds in my book. The Laws of Thermodynamics can’t be cheated, but you can. I will give $10,000 to any scientific refutation of this. Ask a college professor of Chemistry or Physics. Ask someone with a DEGREE in science like me..(BS chemistry,BS electrical Engineering). You will never find even one who will agree to any of this. Period. The most amazing thing to me is not that non-tech oriented people are scammed..after all I would be clueless in duties of say a lawyer…but that there are unscrupulous people who KNOWINGLY are deceiving you for profit. I hate them and call them charlatans and frauds with no fear of lawsuits.

By: not a goofball

not a goofball — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:54:06 +0000

I drove from VT to Utah twice in two months. the first voyage used the HHO unit. the second trip used water injection. I used a pc data logger to capture location speed EGT RPM calculated load and Mpg timing advance and HHO water temp. after finally sitting down and looking at the data the HHO caused the computer to retard the timing much more during high calculated load and had no beneficial Mpg at low loads.
however once the HHO unit warmed up above 190F the timing advanced and the EGT went down. and like magic the HHO used more water in fact about 5% more water than when it was cold. holy crap I discovered that the MPG went up as well. this is why i now inject between 4% and 7% water at 40% load to 90% calculated load. I let my foot off the gas pedal above 90% load because the computer just adds more fuel and stops mapping with the wide band O2 sensor. look up water injection for kerosene tractors. the water did two things lower the head temperature and make up for the lower compression of the combustion chamber. the extra MPG everyone is seeing is by lower Detonation rates and the higher expansion rate of steem. This is why the HHO books insist on the tweaking to get it just right. too much HHO causes the timing to retard cause it thinks your using crap fuel. all you believers should run 94 octane fuel so you can watch see that it is water vapor doing the work and not the hydrogen doing the work. dump HHO and invest in a wiper washer pump and a spray paint nozzle.

By: Quil

Quil — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:22:45 +0000

I have really enjoyed the open feedback from so many folks and am poised on the edge to take the plunge and buy the book but find myself waiting with baited breath for Bob. Its better than the climax of a Charles Dickens novel.

Bob if your out there just let us know what you found?
After reading all your input it would be a shame to see you do a HHO split on us

By: Rick Cratcher

Rick Cratcher — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:14:32 +0000

US law applies the Daubert standard in order to prevent the use of “Junk Science” in court. Expert evidence has to be in line with what is recognised generally by that particular branch of science. If a system that created more energy than it consumed was put forward in a court case, the evidence would be rejected under this principle.

But science is always evolving and all aspects are always up for grabs. Properly designed, scientific, independently attested, trials need to be performed. Until that happens, there is not much point in arguing with people who want to believe in systems that defy the rules. They like to believe in these things – let them have their dreams. Somewhere out there are people still trying to convert lead into gold, it keeps them off the streets.

By: joloy

joloy — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:35:14 +0000

I am also eager to know the results of Bob’s neighbor. How was Bob’s expirement. But I have not heard from him. I have posted my comments on part 1 of this blog because i thought there was no part 2. But I like this part 2 because of Chemist Bob. I am actually convince of his “Law of Physics and Thermodynamics” Energy in – energy out stuff. No doubt about it. It is a common engineering subject. Maybe (I am guessing) the “mystery” of the efficiency that the HHO is contributing lies in the atomic size and behavior of these particles as it reacts with other particles.
When the US denoted the first and second atomic bomb over Japan, it unleashes millions of kwhr energy enough to flattened the city. Do you believe that they used all of there power generators to make that small ball atomic bomb? Or let me say it this way, does the actual energy that the US military uses to make the bomb equaled or lesser the energy that was unleashed in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Of course not. It is already stored or inherent in the material itself. All you have to do is to “excite” the “mediums”. How about the H-bomb? How about the Nuclear Bomb?
Well I am talking nuts! What I am trying to say is that the HHO has an inherent property that would give a boost to the gasoline (which has a different inherent property) to become more efficient, less energy loss. I have not yet discovered the mathematical formula for this HHO behavior. If scientist cannot prove it they call it fiction or scam, but if fictiion becomes a reality the science world will try to make it up by giving a prestigious award or is there another word for that. For the meantime why dont we install a solar power battery (the super thin type, like a cloth) to help produce HHO?
By the way I am also a great immmitator. I also want results and not expirements that waste money. Although I have wasted on some few experiments….HEHEHE.. have a nice guy. It good to have a Scientist Bob on the line.

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By: Ray Higley

Ray Higley — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:27:18 +0000

I have been researching and testing different methods for increasing the economy of vehicles and have found that the concept is sound and does work. One of the first hurdles to cross is with the vehicles ECM (engine computer) . These are hard coded from the factory to fight your effort to make the vehicle more efficient. The simplest way for this to be done is thru the oxygen sensors , and that can be quite a problem . I am now testing a system that seperates the oxygen from the Hydrogen and only adding the hydrogen it so far seems to be working well !! And lets not forget that the whole idea is to increase the mpg anything that is cheap helps is a plus.

By: Chip

Chip — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:29:25 +0000

Two answers: JCP wants to know how to feed gas into the engine. Split the line and T into a vacuum line as close as you can to the injector assembly and the other hose into the air intake line close to theinjector housing. At low RPMs engine vacuum is powerful and intake air is light. At higher RPMs the reverse is true. There is one school of thought that supports putting it in in the air filter so that the MAF or MAP notes it and adjusts for it. I stongly suggest putting an extension on you O2 sensor or sensors to decrease how much oxygen they detect. If they detect too much oxygen they will tell the computer to richen the mixture because it assumes the engine is too lean. This will negate a mileage improvement but will still give you the smother engine and more power. I also suggest passing the gas through a bubbler to make it safer. Any backfire will not make it to your unit and is more sure than a flash suppressor.

ED says he’s having trouble harvesting the gas. Make sure the lid it tight and glue in, with Plumber’s GOOP, a fitting to take a vacuum hose. Take this hose and run it into a bubbler, again airtight and to the bottom of the bubbler. Fill that about 2/3 full of tap water. Another fitting on the lid of the bubbler harvesting gas from the top and fed to the engine. Vacuum will pull the gas out.

The success or failure of a unit depends on three things and what works on the bench may not be practicle in the vehicle. I have 7 different configerations on my bench but only a couple are vehicle ready. Catalyst gets better gas production as you experiment but the cost is amps and heat. I only use bicarbonate of soda. No lye, borax vinegar, whistles or bells. I adjust the strength of the catalyst until I get maximun gas production at a stable heat level. You can make super units on the bench but they’ll be hot and pulling too many amps in just a few miles of driving. Too thin and not enough gas is produced to be of much use. It seems like no two vehicles react the same way either, making a one size- fits all pretty hard. I run a pint jar size unit using stainless screen then passed to a pint bubbler in my Tracker because there’s no space to do otherwise but it’s much more powerful and currently has a mileage increase of about 15%. Carborated and deisel rigs are much simpler to convert.