Comments on: Water for gas scam part two http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/ Auto Repair Information and Facts From MasterTechMark Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:29:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Quil http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-5460 Quil Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:22:45 +0000 http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-5460 I have really enjoyed the open feedback from so many folks and am poised on the edge to take the plunge and buy the book but find myself waiting with baited breath for Bob. Its better than the climax of a Charles Dickens novel. Bob if your out there just let us know what you found? After reading all your input it would be a shame to see you do a HHO split on us ;-) I have really enjoyed the open feedback from so many folks and am poised on the edge to take the plunge and buy the book but find myself waiting with baited breath for Bob. Its better than the climax of a Charles Dickens novel.

Bob if your out there just let us know what you found?
After reading all your input it would be a shame to see you do a HHO split on us ;-)

]]> By: Rick Cratcher http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-5303 Rick Cratcher Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:14:32 +0000 http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-5303 US law applies the Daubert standard in order to prevent the use of "Junk Science" in court. Expert evidence has to be in line with what is recognised generally by that particular branch of science. If a system that created more energy than it consumed was put forward in a court case, the evidence would be rejected under this principle. But science is always evolving and all aspects are always up for grabs. Properly designed, scientific, independently attested, trials need to be performed. Until that happens, there is not much point in arguing with people who want to believe in systems that defy the rules. They like to believe in these things - let them have their dreams. Somewhere out there are people still trying to convert lead into gold, it keeps them off the streets. US law applies the Daubert standard in order to prevent the use of “Junk Science” in court. Expert evidence has to be in line with what is recognised generally by that particular branch of science. If a system that created more energy than it consumed was put forward in a court case, the evidence would be rejected under this principle.

But science is always evolving and all aspects are always up for grabs. Properly designed, scientific, independently attested, trials need to be performed. Until that happens, there is not much point in arguing with people who want to believe in systems that defy the rules. They like to believe in these things - let them have their dreams. Somewhere out there are people still trying to convert lead into gold, it keeps them off the streets.

]]> By: joloy http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-4823 joloy Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:35:14 +0000 http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-4823 I am also eager to know the results of Bob's neighbor. How was Bob's expirement. But I have not heard from him. I have posted my comments on part 1 of this blog because i thought there was no part 2. But I like this part 2 because of Chemist Bob. I am actually convince of his "Law of Physics and Thermodynamics" Energy in - energy out stuff. No doubt about it. It is a common engineering subject. Maybe (I am guessing) the "mystery" of the efficiency that the HHO is contributing lies in the atomic size and behavior of these particles as it reacts with other particles. When the US denoted the first and second atomic bomb over Japan, it unleashes millions of kwhr energy enough to flattened the city. Do you believe that they used all of there power generators to make that small ball atomic bomb? Or let me say it this way, does the actual energy that the US military uses to make the bomb equaled or lesser the energy that was unleashed in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Of course not. It is already stored or inherent in the material itself. All you have to do is to "excite" the "mediums". How about the H-bomb? How about the Nuclear Bomb? Well I am talking nuts! What I am trying to say is that the HHO has an inherent property that would give a boost to the gasoline (which has a different inherent property) to become more efficient, less energy loss. I have not yet discovered the mathematical formula for this HHO behavior. If scientist cannot prove it they call it fiction or scam, but if fictiion becomes a reality the science world will try to make it up by giving a prestigious award or is there another word for that. For the meantime why dont we install a solar power battery (the super thin type, like a cloth) to help produce HHO? By the way I am also a great immmitator. I also want results and not expirements that waste money. Although I have wasted on some few experiments....HEHEHE.. have a nice guy. It good to have a Scientist Bob on the line. I am also eager to know the results of Bob’s neighbor. How was Bob’s expirement. But I have not heard from him. I have posted my comments on part 1 of this blog because i thought there was no part 2. But I like this part 2 because of Chemist Bob. I am actually convince of his “Law of Physics and Thermodynamics” Energy in - energy out stuff. No doubt about it. It is a common engineering subject. Maybe (I am guessing) the “mystery” of the efficiency that the HHO is contributing lies in the atomic size and behavior of these particles as it reacts with other particles.
When the US denoted the first and second atomic bomb over Japan, it unleashes millions of kwhr energy enough to flattened the city. Do you believe that they used all of there power generators to make that small ball atomic bomb? Or let me say it this way, does the actual energy that the US military uses to make the bomb equaled or lesser the energy that was unleashed in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Of course not. It is already stored or inherent in the material itself. All you have to do is to “excite” the “mediums”. How about the H-bomb? How about the Nuclear Bomb?
Well I am talking nuts! What I am trying to say is that the HHO has an inherent property that would give a boost to the gasoline (which has a different inherent property) to become more efficient, less energy loss. I have not yet discovered the mathematical formula for this HHO behavior. If scientist cannot prove it they call it fiction or scam, but if fictiion becomes a reality the science world will try to make it up by giving a prestigious award or is there another word for that. For the meantime why dont we install a solar power battery (the super thin type, like a cloth) to help produce HHO?
By the way I am also a great immmitator. I also want results and not expirements that waste money. Although I have wasted on some few experiments….HEHEHE.. have a nice guy. It good to have a Scientist Bob on the line.

]]> By: Water for Gas Claims All Wet for Most Motorists | Just Ask Asa Aarons http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-4813 Water for Gas Claims All Wet for Most Motorists | Just Ask Asa Aarons Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:12:10 +0000 http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-4813 [...] For motorists who have never even changed their own oil, building a hydrogen generator to power your car is not likely to be easy. [...] [...] For motorists who have never even changed their own oil, building a hydrogen generator to power your car is not likely to be easy. [...]

]]> By: Auto Repair Information Blog » Blog Archive » Electric vehicle conversion http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-4628 Auto Repair Information Blog » Blog Archive » Electric vehicle conversion Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:22:45 +0000 http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-4628 [...] for gas guide and build his own test vehicle. We never heard back from his progress. Read through Bob’s comments it’s worth the [...] [...] for gas guide and build his own test vehicle. We never heard back from his progress. Read through Bob’s comments it’s worth the [...]

]]> By: Ray Higley http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-4411 Ray Higley Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:27:18 +0000 http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-4411 I have been researching and testing different methods for increasing the economy of vehicles and have found that the concept is sound and does work. One of the first hurdles to cross is with the vehicles ECM (engine computer) . These are hard coded from the factory to fight your effort to make the vehicle more efficient. The simplest way for this to be done is thru the oxygen sensors , and that can be quite a problem . I am now testing a system that seperates the oxygen from the Hydrogen and only adding the hydrogen it so far seems to be working well !! And lets not forget that the whole idea is to increase the mpg anything that is cheap helps is a plus. I have been researching and testing different methods for increasing the economy of vehicles and have found that the concept is sound and does work. One of the first hurdles to cross is with the vehicles ECM (engine computer) . These are hard coded from the factory to fight your effort to make the vehicle more efficient. The simplest way for this to be done is thru the oxygen sensors , and that can be quite a problem . I am now testing a system that seperates the oxygen from the Hydrogen and only adding the hydrogen it so far seems to be working well !! And lets not forget that the whole idea is to increase the mpg anything that is cheap helps is a plus.

]]> By: Chip http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-4369 Chip Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:29:25 +0000 http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-4369 Two answers: JCP wants to know how to feed gas into the engine. Split the line and T into a vacuum line as close as you can to the injector assembly and the other hose into the air intake line close to theinjector housing. At low RPMs engine vacuum is powerful and intake air is light. At higher RPMs the reverse is true. There is one school of thought that supports putting it in in the air filter so that the MAF or MAP notes it and adjusts for it. I stongly suggest putting an extension on you O2 sensor or sensors to decrease how much oxygen they detect. If they detect too much oxygen they will tell the computer to richen the mixture because it assumes the engine is too lean. This will negate a mileage improvement but will still give you the smother engine and more power. I also suggest passing the gas through a bubbler to make it safer. Any backfire will not make it to your unit and is more sure than a flash suppressor. ED says he's having trouble harvesting the gas. Make sure the lid it tight and glue in, with Plumber's GOOP, a fitting to take a vacuum hose. Take this hose and run it into a bubbler, again airtight and to the bottom of the bubbler. Fill that about 2/3 full of tap water. Another fitting on the lid of the bubbler harvesting gas from the top and fed to the engine. Vacuum will pull the gas out. The success or failure of a unit depends on three things and what works on the bench may not be practicle in the vehicle. I have 7 different configerations on my bench but only a couple are vehicle ready. Catalyst gets better gas production as you experiment but the cost is amps and heat. I only use bicarbonate of soda. No lye, borax vinegar, whistles or bells. I adjust the strength of the catalyst until I get maximun gas production at a stable heat level. You can make super units on the bench but they'll be hot and pulling too many amps in just a few miles of driving. Too thin and not enough gas is produced to be of much use. It seems like no two vehicles react the same way either, making a one size- fits all pretty hard. I run a pint jar size unit using stainless screen then passed to a pint bubbler in my Tracker because there's no space to do otherwise but it's much more powerful and currently has a mileage increase of about 15%. Carborated and deisel rigs are much simpler to convert. Two answers: JCP wants to know how to feed gas into the engine. Split the line and T into a vacuum line as close as you can to the injector assembly and the other hose into the air intake line close to theinjector housing. At low RPMs engine vacuum is powerful and intake air is light. At higher RPMs the reverse is true. There is one school of thought that supports putting it in in the air filter so that the MAF or MAP notes it and adjusts for it. I stongly suggest putting an extension on you O2 sensor or sensors to decrease how much oxygen they detect. If they detect too much oxygen they will tell the computer to richen the mixture because it assumes the engine is too lean. This will negate a mileage improvement but will still give you the smother engine and more power. I also suggest passing the gas through a bubbler to make it safer. Any backfire will not make it to your unit and is more sure than a flash suppressor.

ED says he’s having trouble harvesting the gas. Make sure the lid it tight and glue in, with Plumber’s GOOP, a fitting to take a vacuum hose. Take this hose and run it into a bubbler, again airtight and to the bottom of the bubbler. Fill that about 2/3 full of tap water. Another fitting on the lid of the bubbler harvesting gas from the top and fed to the engine. Vacuum will pull the gas out.

The success or failure of a unit depends on three things and what works on the bench may not be practicle in the vehicle. I have 7 different configerations on my bench but only a couple are vehicle ready. Catalyst gets better gas production as you experiment but the cost is amps and heat. I only use bicarbonate of soda. No lye, borax vinegar, whistles or bells. I adjust the strength of the catalyst until I get maximun gas production at a stable heat level. You can make super units on the bench but they’ll be hot and pulling too many amps in just a few miles of driving. Too thin and not enough gas is produced to be of much use. It seems like no two vehicles react the same way either, making a one size- fits all pretty hard. I run a pint jar size unit using stainless screen then passed to a pint bubbler in my Tracker because there’s no space to do otherwise but it’s much more powerful and currently has a mileage increase of about 15%. Carborated and deisel rigs are much simpler to convert.

]]> By: ED http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-4312 ED Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:41:48 +0000 http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-4312 Ok! I built the stainless steel outlet covers and attached them properly placed it in water and the resulting bubbles that rose to the top ignited with a bang. All good! the problem is no matter how I attach a plastic tube I cant get the bubbles or any gas to go into the tube. I tried putting plastic over the top and feeding the tube through a tight hole in the plastic but nothing pushed through the tube. I have seen some guys show the stuff pooring out of the tube and pushing itself out of the water in another container. How do they do it???? Ok! I built the stainless steel outlet covers and attached them properly placed it in water and the resulting bubbles that rose to the top ignited with a bang. All good! the problem is no matter how I attach a plastic tube I cant get the bubbles or any gas to go into the tube. I tried putting plastic over the top and feeding the tube through a tight hole in the plastic but nothing pushed through the tube. I have seen some guys show the stuff pooring out of the tube and pushing itself out of the water in another container. How do they do it????

]]> By: ED http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-4306 ED Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:24:28 +0000 http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-4306 I realy want to know what the heck happened with BOB. Hey are you embarrassed to tell us what you found. I am building a generator right now and I can't wait to try it out on my 94 aerostar. I realy want to know what the heck happened with BOB. Hey are you embarrassed to tell us what you found. I am building a generator right now and I can’t wait to try it out on my 94 aerostar.

]]> By: JCP http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-4038 JCP Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:26:42 +0000 http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-4038 My system is producing hydrogen but I'm having a problem getting enough vacuum through the air intake to get it into the engine. It's a Mazda Tribute with a 4 cylinder 2 liter. Can you help? My system is producing hydrogen but I’m having a problem getting enough vacuum through the air intake to get it into the engine. It’s a Mazda Tribute with a 4 cylinder 2 liter. Can you help?

]]> By: Raynman http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-3916 Raynman Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:13:22 +0000 http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-3916 It looks like this started in April and continues until last Tuesday. I've seen the ads and was looking to see if they were "for real" or not. This is the first place that didn't seem to be linked to the water4gas etc. sites. I think I had to go 5 pages into the search to find it. It's been 25 days since Bob (the biggest naysayer) was going to check with his neighbor and see if it works. That was 3 1/2 weeks ago. I wonder what happened. I would like to believe that it works but want to find out if it does in fact work. It looks like this started in April and continues until last Tuesday. I’ve seen the ads and was looking to see if they were “for real” or not. This is the first place that didn’t seem to be linked to the water4gas etc. sites. I think I had to go 5 pages into the search to find it. It’s been 25 days since Bob (the biggest naysayer) was going to check with his neighbor and see if it works. That was 3 1/2 weeks ago. I wonder what happened. I would like to believe that it works but want to find out if it does in fact work.

]]> By: Stan http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-3827 Stan Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:37:57 +0000 http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-3827 Joe stated: "If it really really worked, GM, FORD, TOYOTA , and all the others would have already done this." I humbly disagree with this statement. I'm sure they're getting FAR BETTER kickbacks from Oil Gurus than the piddly $200 per car you mentioned. The technology ALREADY exists for autos to get better mileage than they currently do. But, let's face it...money is power. Follow the $$. The Oil tycoons have a tight leash on the situation. I thank you MRG for your informative website, and for allowing both sides of the arguments to be posted in your blogs. It gets the creative juices flowing. There will ALWAYS be "Nay-Sayers". If any of these entries spurn someone on to make a better design, that's what it's all about...just make sure to send me the updated version :) Joe stated: “If it really really worked, GM, FORD, TOYOTA , and all the others would have already done this.”

I humbly disagree with this statement. I’m sure they’re getting FAR BETTER kickbacks from Oil Gurus than the piddly $200 per car you mentioned. The technology ALREADY exists for autos to get better mileage than they currently do. But, let’s face it…money is power. Follow the $$. The Oil tycoons have a tight leash on the situation.

I thank you MRG for your informative website, and for allowing both sides of the arguments to be posted in your blogs. It gets the creative juices flowing. There will ALWAYS be “Nay-Sayers”. If any of these entries spurn someone on to make a better design, that’s what it’s all about…just make sure to send me the updated version :)

]]> By: Chip http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-3801 Chip Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:35:08 +0000 http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-3801 The biggest drawback of this kind of technology is that auto makers have spent years making vehicles user friendly. Half the population don't know how to open their hood and little in there is rookie servicable. Batteries are sealed, oil doesn't need checked, nor the coolant. Even the washer fluid lasts until the owner has the oild change place do it all for him. I Haven't seen a hydrogen system that can go more than a few hundred miles between service checks. Plenty is being done worldwide and in the U.S. on developing systems. Here is a link into youtube to look for yourself what is being done. Some foriegn companys are pursuing hydrogen very seriously and there are plenty of commercial cell builders around. Some of the work us amatuers are doing is scarey at best but some is very well done with impressive results. From this link you can click on other films and see it all from the great to the crazy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkmgPZgAvPU The biggest drawback of this kind of technology is that auto makers have spent years making vehicles user friendly. Half the population don’t know how to open their hood and little in there is rookie servicable. Batteries are sealed, oil doesn’t need checked, nor the coolant. Even the washer fluid lasts until the owner has the oild change place do it all for him. I Haven’t seen a hydrogen system that can go more than a few hundred miles between service checks. Plenty is being done worldwide and in the U.S. on developing systems. Here is a link into youtube to look for yourself what is being done. Some foriegn companys are pursuing hydrogen very seriously and there are plenty of commercial cell builders around. Some of the work us amatuers are doing is scarey at best but some is very well done with impressive results. From this link you can click on other films and see it all from the great to the crazy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkmgPZgAvPU

]]> By: aaron http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-3655 aaron Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:34:48 +0000 http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-3655 Bob this is the direct result of the US public school system....you can't fix it here...LMAO Bob this is the direct result of the US public school system….you can’t fix it here…LMAO

]]> By: joe http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-3654 joe Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:19:17 +0000 http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/wordpress/2008/04/27/water-for-gas-scam-part-two/#comment-3654 If it really really worked, GM, FORD, TOYOTA , and all the others would have already done this. If they could add $200 cost per vehicle and get that mileage, they would do it in a heartbeat. They have CAFE standards to meet over the next 10 years. The mileage jump I believe goes to 35mpg . Trucks and SUVs are already dying in sales, and this would provide them with a quick fix so those all those soccer moms could keep driving their buses. Having worked for Nissan...I know they will do anything to improve mileage and emissions, you can be sure about that. They are already worried about the coming CAFE standards. If it really really worked, GM, FORD, TOYOTA , and all the others would have already done this. If they could add $200 cost per vehicle and get that mileage, they would do it in a heartbeat. They have CAFE standards to meet over the next 10 years. The mileage jump I believe goes to 35mpg . Trucks and SUVs are already dying in sales, and this would provide them with a quick fix so those all those soccer moms could keep driving their buses. Having worked for Nissan…I know they will do anything to improve mileage and emissions, you can be sure about that. They are already worried about the coming CAFE standards.

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